The real issue

  • November 23, 2024 9:10 AM
    Message # 13434277
    Andrew (Administrator)

    I assert that the burning of fossil fuels (and the climate impact that results) are both symptoms - they are not the real problem.

    The real problem is the economic and lifestyle paradigm that demands that level of energy consumption.

    I'm also convinced the no combination of renewable energy sources will ever supply enough to meet our current demands, let alone the growth curve that demand is tracking.

    Furthermore, addressing only climate change does not address the multiple other components of ecological overshoot and sociological shortfall that have the same society-destroying potential as the climate crisis.

    CACOR could join the large pack and focus on the symptomatic climate emergency, or we could focus on the more challenging but ultimately more relevant crisis of our predominant (unnatural) value structure.

    So, yes, absolutely do your best to mitigate climate change in your community.  Meanwhile, our collective minds should be exploring actions focused on the real issue.

    Thoughts?

  • November 25, 2024 6:13 PM
    Reply # 13434930 on 13434277

    You contend that the burning of fossil fuels and resulting climate impacts  are not the real problem.

    Tell that to almost anyone in the subtropics sufffering from desertification, extended severe drought, loss of arable land and water, all followed by famine and deaths (> 500,000/year), and if able to emmigrate, becoming climate refugees.   These are the people who have little responsibility for climate change.  That honour belongs to we in the mid-latitude industrial countries.  Thus, ethics and morality are part of the whole problem, something that mid-latitude countries apparently do not accept.  

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  • November 29, 2024 9:00 PM
    Reply # 13436171 on 13434930
    Andrew (Administrator)
    Okay - my bad choice of words again.  When I say "the real problem", I'm referring to what we should be fixing.

    Of course Climate Change is a problem for people suffering from desertification, extended severe drought, loss of arable land and water, famine, and death. (I'm not an idiot.  :-)

    However, I contend that there is NO WAY to stop the burning of fossil fuels enough to significantly mitigate Climate Change in a way that would not bring about total disaster to those same mid-latitude economies that you refer to.

    You, yourself, highlight morality and ethics as being major issues to address.  I contend that unless we address the runaway economic models that demand the burning of fossil fuels, we will never make any serious progress on Climate Change.

    Climate Change is part of a larger system imbalance.  Addressing it effectively requires understanding its connections to other economic, ecological, and social issues.

    While transitioning to renewable energy is crucial, it's part of a larger shift needed in how we value and interact with our environment.  We need to look at the economic 'operating system' that drives our decisions, not just the individual 'programs' we run.

    My perspective does not negate the importance of current climate change actions.  Rather, it provides a framework for understanding why these issues arise and how we can create more comprehensive, lasting solutions.

    Last modified: November 29, 2024 11:27 PM | Andrew (Administrator)
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